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Comments on: Expert credibility in climate change: not all climate research and expertise are equal. http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515 Science, climate change, coral reefs and the environment Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.25 By: Climate Scientist Cleared of Altering Data - Page 3 - Reef-Geeks http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1115 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:18:44 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1115 [...] I would throw a little fuel on the fire raging in this thread Expert credibility in climate change: not all climate research and expertise are equal. __________________ "It's a job that's never started that takes the longest to [...]

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By: OveHG http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1114 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 21:30:35 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1114 I just watched the potholder 54 video … wonderful expose of these miscreants! Thanks Phil M.

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By: Phil M http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1113 Fri, 25 Jun 2010 03:36:33 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1113 On the topic of climate change scientific expertise, this video from Potholer 54 sets it out in an easy to understand way.

http://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54#p/u/1/qZzwRwFDXw0

More exposure of the “experts”.

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By: Phil M http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1112 Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:38:50 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1112

Is there a link to a high quality version of that CSIRO talk?

I couldnt track it down either, so wrote to them. Hopefully they can provide some material. Will definately post it back here if they give it to me.

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By: John B http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1111 Wed, 23 Jun 2010 07:13:49 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1111 Thanks again Phil M, your comments always improve and sometimes outdo our posts! Is there a link to a high quality version of that CSIRO talk?

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By: OveHG http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1110 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:38:31 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1110 Well done Phil M and Luke … razor sharp. When you put it so clearly, it almost has a comical ring to it! That is until one looks at what is at stake!

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By: Mike G http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1109 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:46:58 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1109 I have no doubt that this study will only serve as proof to the deniers that their champions are being prevented from publishing and that the CE scientists are all part of a “team” citing each other over and over again to drum up “alarmism”.

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By: Phil M http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1108 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:42:48 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5515#comment-1108 CSIRO, BOM & the Academy of Sciences have banded together to address the tide of denialism pervading our media recently.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/scientists-to-tackle-scepticism-20100614-ya7j.html

WUWT has been surprisingly dismisive of their slide show. Who would have thought:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/19/csiro-has-counter-meeting-to-address-denialism/#more-20785

Here are the slides that has got them so upset.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/dse-analysis-of-the-climate-change-debate-melbourne-june-2010-part-1.pdf

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/dse-analysis-of-the-climate-change-debate-melbourne-june-2010-part-2.pdf

Thumbs up to Luke for saying what many of us think:

Luke says:
June 19, 2010 at 8:56 pm
But do the sceptics ever ask to make a presentation to CSIRO or the Bureau of Meteorology. Nope – the rule is never engage where serious questions will be asked.

It’s just sideline sniping guys and avoids any serious review of your position. Audiences of retirees are much easier aren’t they?

Good job all round Luke, amazing you werent censored.

Sadly comments like this below reflect why deniers think they are part of the debate:

Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
June 19, 2010 at 9:01 pm
“Scientific journals have rigorous peer review”

They don’t know what rigorous is until they’ve been through WattsUpWithThat, ClimateAudit, Lucia’s Blackboard, Lucy Skywalker’s, JeffID’s, Musings from the Chiefio, SPPI, etc., etc., etc.

Science by blog & scrutiny by amateurs, thats the way. You can count on one hand the amount of active UE scientists & will rarely see their names in one of these journals:

Most-Cited Journals in Climate Change Research, 1999-2009
(Ranked by citations to papers published and cited between 1999 and 2009)

Rank Institution
Citations
1999-2009
1 Nature 22,952
2 Science 21,791
3 Global Change Biology 12,013
4 Journal of Climate 11,778
5 Geophysical Research Letters 10,500
6 J. Geophysical Research Atmospheres 9,826
7 Climatic Change 8,423
8 PNAS 7,484
9 Climate Dynamics 5,761
10 Quaternary Science Reviews 5,470
11 Ecological Applications 4,252
12 Ecology 4,041
13 Int. J. Climatology 3,650
14 Earth & Planetary Science Letters 3,554
15 Ecological Modelling 3,482

Or

Journals Ranked by Impact: Meteorology & Atmospheric Sciences

Rank 2008 Impact Factor Impact 2004-08 Impact 1981-2008
1 Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society
(5.25) Journal of Climate
(8.64) Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society
(30.68)
2 Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics
(4.93) Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society
(8.04) Global Biogeochemical Cycles
(28.51)
3 Journal of Climate
(4.31) Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics
(7.49) Journal of Climate
(28.07)
4 Global Biogeochemical Cycles
(4.09) Climate Dynamics
(7.41) Journal of Climate & Applied Meteorology
(28.04)
5 Climate Dynamics
(4.05) Journal of Applied Meteorology
(7.30) Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
(27.33)
6 Agricultural & Forest Meteorology
(3.67) Global Biogeochemical Cycles
(7.17) Atmospheric Environment Part A – General Topics
(26.33)
7 Climatic Change
(3.20) Journal of Hydrometeorology
(6.79) Journal of Geophysical Research – Atmospheres
(24.71)
8 Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
(2.99) Agricultural & Forest Meteorology
(6.77) Monthly Weather Review
(24.49)
9 Journal of Hydrometeorology
(2.95) Journal of Geophysical Research – Atmospheres
(6.41) Journal of Atmospheric Chemistry
(23.50)
10 Atmospheric Environment
(2.89) Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
(6.01) Journal of Climatology
(22.53)

Strangely their names also dont appear on this list:

Highly Cited Authors in Climate Change Research, 1999-2009
(Ranked by total citations)

1 F. Stuart Chapin University of Alaska Arctic Biology 57 3,365
2 Camille Parmesan Univ. Texas, Austin Integrative Biology 7 2,794
3 Ove Hoegh-Guldberg University of Queensland Marine Science 30 2,612
4 Phil Jones University of East Anglia Climatic Research 39 2,480
5 A. Townsend Peterson University of Kansas Biodiversity/Ecology 45 2,341
6 Peter M. Cox University of Exeter Climate System Dynamics 31 2,176
7 I. Colin Prentice University of Bristol Plant Ecology 36 2,172
8 Terry P. Hughes James Cook University Coral Reef Ecology 10 2,144
9 Antoine Guisan University of Lausanne Ecology/Evolution 26 2,040
10 Mike Hulme University of East Anglia Climate Change 32 2,024
11 Richard A. Betts Met Office/Hadley Centre Climate Impacts 25 2,000
12 Wilfried Thuiller CNRS, Grenoble Ecology/Biostatistics 48 1,894
13 Chris D. Thomas University of York Ecology/Evolution 28 1,884
14 Eric Post Pennsylvania State University Ecological Dynamics 22 1,852
15 Martin T. Sykes Lund University Physical Geography 33 1,839
16 Gerald A. Meehl NCAR Climate and Global Dynamics 39 1,778
17 Jeremy B.C. Jackson Univ. Calif., San Diego Oceanography 5 1,744
18 John M. Pandolfi University of Queensland Paleoecology 5 1714
19 Mark New University of Oxford Climate Science 14 1,711
20 Annette Menzel Tech. University of Munich Ecoclimatology 28 1,691
21 Myles R. Allen University of Oxford Climate Dynamics 48 1,686
22 Andrew J. Weaver University of Victoria Earth/Ocean Science 43 1,644
23 Peter A. Stott Met Office/Hadley Centre Climate Monitoring 46 1,614
24 Stephen Sitch University of Leeds Earth Systems 27 1,576
25 John F.B. Mitchell Met Office/Hadley Centre Climate Science 27 1,538

http://sciencewatch.com/dr/sci/10/jan31-10_1/
http://sciencewatch.com/ana/fea/09novdecFea/

At least the deniers have something to celebrate after the exoneration of Jones & Mann & the debunked Leakgate, Amazongate & Africa gate. Two of their right wing oil lobbyists, oops, sorry I mean “scientists” recieved awards recently…….from an EXXON funded, oil, drug & tobacco lobbyist & front group the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Wonders never cease!

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/14/mcintyre-and-mckitrick-to-receive-award/

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Competitive_Enterprise_Institute/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute_And_Global_Warming

Nawww, now heres me thinking they were getting a FAIL award for saying the Hockey Stick was broken, then having Mann, Bradley & Hughes prove it wasnt.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/09/02/0805721105.abstract

Ouch.

Ahh well guys, at least you have your own censored blogs to provide rigorous scrutiny…..of your own work, ahem.

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