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Comments on: A Sunrise climate clanger – what has pussy got to do with climate change? http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6214 Science, climate change, coral reefs and the environment Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.25 By: Doug Mackie http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6214#comment-1275 Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:31:18 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6214#comment-1275 Ken Ring came to my notice during 2006 and 2007 when the NZC“S”C site hosted a letter by Ken Ring that he wrote to all MPs.Some Ken Ring gems from the letter (different from the examples I posted at deltiod):

CO2 is also nearly twice as heavy as air(molecular weight 44, that of air 29) so it cannot rise anywhere beyond haze level of a couple of hundred feet.

I dunno, that one is like Pythin for me. Everytime I see it I laugh. He continued this idea…

Any CO2 at higher levels is ejected there from volcanoes and kept aloft by upper level turbulence. Nevertheless, it is continually FALLING, not rising, which is how and why vegetation receives it, enabling plant life to grow.

Ring has elaborated on this one elsewhere and he really means that there is a CO2 line above which plant life is impossible because CO2 is so heavy it has fallen down before getting to the plants.

The seas cannot rise by impact from a warmer atmosphere above them. Hold a blowtorch over a pan of water and see if it warms up. Hardly, as water is a very poor conductor, and although upper layers are always warmer because warmth rises and the sun is above the water, cooling from below ensures lower layers stay cool.

And that is why all jollyswagmen light the fire under the billy.

Sealevels are not rising a metre per century, as some are now claiming, and according to NIWA their Lyttleton Harbour study of 1998 revealed a rise of 1mm per year, or 4 inches per century. So which is it, 4” or 39”? An error rate of 975% makes one question how can they be so sure it is happening at all?

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Now Ken, you are in good company with NASA, this was problem with Mars Surveyor. You see, in old money, 1 mm per year for 100 years = 100 mm. That is 4 inches (as near) per century. I wish I cold be sure it wasn’t the multiplying by 100 you had trouble with.

Skeptics are not made up of “the very top of the world’s wealth pyramid”. I wish. No, most like myself have university training and science degrees.

I querried Ring about what his science degree was in. It took several exchanges before I established that what he meant was: “most skeptics (and Ken Ring is a skeptic) have science degrees (though Ken Ring does not himself have a science degree)”.

In fairness, the NZC”S”C science advisor is Chris de Freitas so the fact they didn’t pick up Ring is nuts is understandable.

Denconstructions of Ken Ring by Auckland Skeptics and silly beliefs.

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By: Ricki http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6214#comment-1274 Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:27:12 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6214#comment-1274 You are so right. It was a pathetic attempt to discuss a serious issue. I felt they were a little scared that they would invoke a backlash if they didn’t have a denier on the show. Too much advertising money at stake I expect.

I think Nick Rowley sounded quite believable with his point about CSIRO, etc.

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