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Comments on: The latest from the ‘Redneck-Wonderland’. http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564 Science, climate change, coral reefs and the environment Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.25 By: Mike G http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1525 Fri, 13 May 2011 14:50:15 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1525 Again, as I pointed out in my original post, HadCRUt is the only one of the 4 major global temperature series which shows a (statistically insignificant) decline over your chosen time period. Are we to believe that it’s merely a coincidence that that’s the only trend you choose to show? That certainly seems like an odd choice in light of Carter et al’s claim that satellite temperature records are the most accurate and the incessant bleating about how CRU (the CRU part of HadCRUt) scientists fudged the temperature records. One would almost be tempted to believe that you’ve cherrypicked the one record that seems to support your argument while ignoring the rest.

If Carter’s claim about the accuracy of the satellite series is true then why is that declining trend not seen in those satellite records? Perhaps you wish to argue that although the satellite records are the most accurate, they’re still not accurate enough to capture the true nature of global temperature, but in that case it’s just as damaging to Carter’s claim of a declining trend as it is to anyone else’s. If you cannot determine the real trend from even the most accurate record then you cannot determine that the real trend is a decline.

And what about the time interval of that “trend?” Why choose 2002 as the starting point rather than a date that gives a statistically significant trend? Go ahead, pick any interval ending at the present with a statistically significant trend in any of the global temp records. Tell us which way the trend is headed.

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By: Thomas Moore http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1429 Sat, 07 May 2011 09:10:52 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1429 Toby, I don’t know whether you’re just ignorant, but you can’t tackle someone like OveHG with the half-arsed understanding you seem to have of the climate. You can’t just eyeball a graph and call it a ‘cyclical trend’ without talking out of your backside. None of what you are saying is novel to anyone with half a grasp of climate science, and unsurprisingly there’s a fairly good explanation for your ‘issues’. Channel some of your ‘skepticism’ into actually understanding what you are trying to argue before looking like a fool. “Even during a period of long term warming, there are short periods of cooling due to climate variability. Short term cooling over the last few years is largely due to a strong La Nina phase in the Pacific Ocean and a prolonged solar minimum.”

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By: OveHG http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1428 Sat, 07 May 2011 09:05:41 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1428 OK Toby, let’s review the facts. The modeling of climate has been successfully incorporated a range of different drivers (natural, anthropogenic) into temperature reconstructions. As I am sure you are aware (are you?), mid-century cooling involved aerosols and is irrelevant as an argument against recent global warming. Three distinct periods are clear – warming occurred both at the beginning and at the end of the 20th century, but is interrupted an aerosol driven cooling trend from 1940 to 1975. If the atmospheric modeling community didn’t understand this, then we would not have the modeling community producing the results shown here in AR4 of the IPCC. And before you go on with some sort of conspiracy theory nonsense, the IPCC process is basically sound as found by the recent independent review.

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By: toby robertson http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1425 Sat, 07 May 2011 03:47:24 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1425 Ove might i also suggest your suggestion that i do not understand that climate is over 30 years ( better to say long term) looks pretty silly when you look at a temp chart such as this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years look at chart since 1860…and it shows from 1880 to 1910 a decline from 1910-1945 ish a rise, from 1940-1975 ish a fall and then a rise over the last 30 years with it now levelling off…whats the bet the next 30 years is cool based on this cyclical trend?….and all the time co2 was rising…not a very strong correlation in reality is it?
I can apprceciate that you hold heart felt beliefs and believe you are fighting the right fight but from where i and so many others sit it seems far more like a belief system than reality….much like religion.

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By: MarcH http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1424 Sat, 07 May 2011 02:31:38 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1424 Only 30! And here I was looking at the last 100 years.

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By: MarcH http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1423 Sat, 07 May 2011 02:30:39 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1423 Since when is Ove HG a climate expert? Coral yes, climate NO

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By: toby robertson http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1418 Fri, 06 May 2011 14:29:55 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1418 Thx for the Horizon link I will watch it tomorrow.

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By: toby robertson http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1417 Fri, 06 May 2011 14:16:59 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1417 Ove and Phil, your inability to see that the “shock jock” warmers i mentioned are that because of their gross exagerations and errors ( eg “between 30 and 40 per cent of coral on Queensland’s great Barrier Reef could die within a month”…your words Ove….reality less than 1%!!, dams will never fill again flannery, no more skiing, arctic ice gone soon, hurricane activity to increase etc etc ). The fact that you cant see this supports my bias that you believers have no understanding of the big picture but rather the small things you focus on with the intention of proving warming allow you to see things others do not….because the bits prove ntg when the real numbers dont support it. If you really had evidence you would provide it but it is never forthcoming without a need for models to creat eyour scary scenarios. Most sceptics accept a marginal warming from additional co2 but ntg that warrants dramatic action.
At no time did i bring up bolt until you accused me of getting my info from him. I most certainly do not use him as a source but it must be very inconvenient when the media actually does focus on the reality of the poor predictions.

Ove if the world is warming up wouldnt you expect the water to warm and some damage to corals? or could it relate to other factors like UV rays due to ozone loss? We are told that the temp swings are unprecedented and the coral wont cope with the rapid changes in temperatures. There have been much more dramatic changes in temperature since the dalton and maunder minimums, it appears they survived the cooling and warming!
coral bleaching is not evidence of human enhanced warming.

once again i state the facts that ocean temps have been flat to declining since the argo buoys were introduced, sea level rise has slowed and the trend in satellite data has also been down since 2001..surely that should raise questions given the significant increase in co2?

The world does have a real problem and that is population.
People that fall back on the science is settled should be ashamed to call themselves scientists

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By: OveHG http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1416 Fri, 06 May 2011 10:58:48 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1416 Yes – good point Phil. Clive, Jim and Tim have a show! Great – at last some quality. I would love to tune in too!

(Toby – read papers by me and others to understand how wrong you are on the reef issue – it goes to the heart of your inability to distinguish weather (driving bleaching events) from climate (long term loss of reefs when we get beyond +2oC. If you don’t get that, then I can’t help you further).

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By: The Purser http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1415 Fri, 06 May 2011 09:52:12 +0000 http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6564#comment-1415 Andrew Dolt appeared on a daily TV show called ‘The Circle’ this morning. He was given a minor grilling by the show’s panel and huffity puffity women are upset about it and posting on the show’s Facebook page. Check it out:
http://www.facebook.com/CircleTV

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